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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2008/05/12/182-the-truth-about-global-warming/#comment-10290</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Liz, and Merry Christmas to you.

I&#039;m sorry, but you&#039;ve been duped. The notion that there is a mix of scientific views on this is a myth which was cynically peddled by ExxonMobil and supported by the outgoing US administration.

The scientists aren&#039;t divided. A few junk pseudo-scientists and ill-informed fatcats are trying to proclaim that it isn&#039;t, because they want to keep on driving their SUVs and flying in their corporate jets, but actually no one is stopping them from doing so. We&#039;re just saying they&#039;re being selfish and irresponsible, and if that makes them mad, then I&#039;m very glad to hear it.

As for the word &#039;deniers&#039; being applied in this sense, I disagree with you completely since I do think it&#039;s entirely appropriate. 

Because if blithe and wilful disregard for the accumulated wisdom and knowledge of practically the entire scientific community isn&#039;t denial, then I don&#039;t know what is. It&#039;s not an insult. It&#039;s a factual description of a belligerently ignorant mindset.

Where I do agree with you is that it&#039;s a mistake to politicise global warming. The scale of the issues facing us all is such that we need to look at them apolitically and across party lines. 

I don&#039;t remotely see the efforts we need to make to address global warming as implying an end to global economic prosperity. I&#039;m not calling for a return to a pre-industrial economy -- far from it. Rather I&#039;m suggesting that we must make much more concerted use of the technologies we already have available for renewable power generation.

It&#039;s also clear from the economic analysis carried out in the UK government-commissioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6098362.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Stern Report&lt;b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that the costs of ignoring global warming far outweigh the investment required to mitigate and alleviate it.

Many thanks again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Liz, and Merry Christmas to you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but you&#8217;ve been duped. The notion that there is a mix of scientific views on this is a myth which was cynically peddled by ExxonMobil and supported by the outgoing US administration.</p>
<p>The scientists aren&#8217;t divided. A few junk pseudo-scientists and ill-informed fatcats are trying to proclaim that it isn&#8217;t, because they want to keep on driving their SUVs and flying in their corporate jets, but actually no one is stopping them from doing so. We&#8217;re just saying they&#8217;re being selfish and irresponsible, and if that makes them mad, then I&#8217;m very glad to hear it.</p>
<p>As for the word &#8216;deniers&#8217; being applied in this sense, I disagree with you completely since I do think it&#8217;s entirely appropriate. </p>
<p>Because if blithe and wilful disregard for the accumulated wisdom and knowledge of practically the entire scientific community isn&#8217;t denial, then I don&#8217;t know what is. It&#8217;s not an insult. It&#8217;s a factual description of a belligerently ignorant mindset.</p>
<p>Where I do agree with you is that it&#8217;s a mistake to politicise global warming. The scale of the issues facing us all is such that we need to look at them apolitically and across party lines. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remotely see the efforts we need to make to address global warming as implying an end to global economic prosperity. I&#8217;m not calling for a return to a pre-industrial economy &#8212; far from it. Rather I&#8217;m suggesting that we must make much more concerted use of the technologies we already have available for renewable power generation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also clear from the economic analysis carried out in the UK government-commissioned <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6098362.stm" rel="nofollow"><b>Stern Report</b><b></b></a> that the costs of ignoring global warming far outweigh the investment required to mitigate and alleviate it.</p>
<p>Many thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2008/05/12/182-the-truth-about-global-warming/#comment-10289</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with this debate is that some people have been too quick to take the alarmist global warming side because it suites their ideals and lifestyle choices, blindly digging in to fight the cause without looking at a healthy cross section of scientific givens and ideas, so called &#039;deniers&#039; (which by the way was a term used in respect of the holocaust and is quite disrespectful) are being marginalized and science is being made a mockery of by being projections lead rather than by cold facts. Time to cool our heads and seek the truth. By the way Al Gore was the biggest disaster for the pro climate change movement because he is a complete con man as are most politicians, being manipulated by an elite group of families to suite their own agendas, probably to manipulate stock market fuel costs to line their own pockets. Real conservation issues are being sidelined by this histeria, seas are still being overfished, deforestation, chemical dumping and polution, not to mention rewilding projects that need support and publicity to raise awareness.
Wake up people......lets put our efforts into creating our own small plots of heaven as suggested in &quot;Anastasia&quot; by Vladimer Megre, a book everyone should read if the want to connect back with nature.
Peace x]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with this debate is that some people have been too quick to take the alarmist global warming side because it suites their ideals and lifestyle choices, blindly digging in to fight the cause without looking at a healthy cross section of scientific givens and ideas, so called &#8216;deniers&#8217; (which by the way was a term used in respect of the holocaust and is quite disrespectful) are being marginalized and science is being made a mockery of by being projections lead rather than by cold facts. Time to cool our heads and seek the truth. By the way Al Gore was the biggest disaster for the pro climate change movement because he is a complete con man as are most politicians, being manipulated by an elite group of families to suite their own agendas, probably to manipulate stock market fuel costs to line their own pockets. Real conservation issues are being sidelined by this histeria, seas are still being overfished, deforestation, chemical dumping and polution, not to mention rewilding projects that need support and publicity to raise awareness.<br />
Wake up people&#8230;&#8230;lets put our efforts into creating our own small plots of heaven as suggested in &#8220;Anastasia&#8221; by Vladimer Megre, a book everyone should read if the want to connect back with nature.<br />
Peace x</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2008/05/12/182-the-truth-about-global-warming/#comment-9828</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John, and many thanks for your comment.

Yes, there are a range of different contributors to the world&#039;s climate, and they each have different effects. &lt;a href=&quot;http://hamburger-bildungsserver.de/welcome.phtml?unten=/klima/greenhouse/causes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;This reference&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; discusses the relative roles of solar and greenhouse gas effects.

Quantification is difficult, primarily because there is debate about the speed with which climate change will occur in response to rising carbon dioxide concentrations. 

The measurements of global warming to date vary according to the methods used. The analysis is complicated by the fact that land masses heat faster than the oceans, and so the northern hemisphere (which has relatively more land) also warms faster than the southern hemisphere. 

Thus we have European weather stations presently recording relatively rapid increases in mean surface temperature, whilst satellite measurements of the ocean surface show much more modest increases.

There is an interesting quantification in &lt;a href=&quot;http://timeforchange.org/co2-concentration-causing-temperature-increase&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;this primer&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, which provides some of the background to the IPCC estimates of an increase in global temperature of between 1 and 6 C by the end of this century.

That is a wide range, but there is a concentration of predictions within the 2 to 3C range.

To gain an appreciation of the effects which would/will be produced by such temperature changes, I would recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Six-Degrees-Future-Hotter-Planet/dp/142620213X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1216247514&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Six Degrees&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; by Mark Lynas, which recently won a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marklynas.org/2008/6/18/six-degrees-wins-presitigious-royal-society-prize&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Royal Society award&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

As for the role of Australia, I wouldn&#039;t underestimate the importance of your country&#039;s actions to the outcome of  global climate change. According to this analysis from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csiro.au/news/GlobalCarbonProject-PNAS.html#1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;CSIRO&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, Australia has 0.32 per cent of the world&#039;s population, but contributes 1.43 per cent of global carbon emissions. So much for Australia&#039;s actions having little effect.

Furthermore, Australia&#039;s carbon footprint is growing at twice the world&#039;s average rate, and Australians currently produce 4.5 times the global per capita CO2 emissions.

We&#039;re not blameless in Britain either (far from it) but pretending that the actions of individual nations (and even of individuals for that matter) will have a limited effect is sadly a very convenient excuse for robbing the bank because everyone else is doing it.

Australia is also an interesting place to look at the issues because of the critical choices it currently faces in energy usage. Your country surely has just about the most reliable solar energy resource of any country in the world, making Australia an excellent candidate to be one of the first nations in the world to be entirely powered from renewable sources, and given commitment and investment, surely one of the future world leaders within a rapidly expanding global market for solar technology.

But significantly, Australia also has considerable coal resources (as I recall in the past this has conditioned a certain level of economic self-interest which deterred Australia from signing up to Kyoto).

The carbon emissions from coal-fired energy sources are worryingly high in comparison even with power generation from oil and gas, and the same logic applies here to Australia as to China - if countries are intent on continuing down this route, regardless of all advice on the consequences, then the outlook for controlling climate change within manageable levels looks miserably bleak.

Thanks again, and do give my best regards to the Old Coat Hanger,
Roads]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John, and many thanks for your comment.</p>
<p>Yes, there are a range of different contributors to the world&#8217;s climate, and they each have different effects. <a href="http://hamburger-bildungsserver.de/welcome.phtml?unten=/klima/greenhouse/causes.html" rel="nofollow"><b>This reference</b></a> discusses the relative roles of solar and greenhouse gas effects.</p>
<p>Quantification is difficult, primarily because there is debate about the speed with which climate change will occur in response to rising carbon dioxide concentrations. </p>
<p>The measurements of global warming to date vary according to the methods used. The analysis is complicated by the fact that land masses heat faster than the oceans, and so the northern hemisphere (which has relatively more land) also warms faster than the southern hemisphere. </p>
<p>Thus we have European weather stations presently recording relatively rapid increases in mean surface temperature, whilst satellite measurements of the ocean surface show much more modest increases.</p>
<p>There is an interesting quantification in <a href="http://timeforchange.org/co2-concentration-causing-temperature-increase" rel="nofollow"><b>this primer</b></a>, which provides some of the background to the IPCC estimates of an increase in global temperature of between 1 and 6 C by the end of this century.</p>
<p>That is a wide range, but there is a concentration of predictions within the 2 to 3C range.</p>
<p>To gain an appreciation of the effects which would/will be produced by such temperature changes, I would recommend <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Six-Degrees-Future-Hotter-Planet/dp/142620213X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1216247514&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><b>Six Degrees</b></a> by Mark Lynas, which recently won a <a href="http://www.marklynas.org/2008/6/18/six-degrees-wins-presitigious-royal-society-prize" rel="nofollow"><b>Royal Society award</b></a>.</p>
<p>As for the role of Australia, I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate the importance of your country&#8217;s actions to the outcome of  global climate change. According to this analysis from <a href="http://www.csiro.au/news/GlobalCarbonProject-PNAS.html#1" rel="nofollow"><b>CSIRO</b></a>, Australia has 0.32 per cent of the world&#8217;s population, but contributes 1.43 per cent of global carbon emissions. So much for Australia&#8217;s actions having little effect.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Australia&#8217;s carbon footprint is growing at twice the world&#8217;s average rate, and Australians currently produce 4.5 times the global per capita CO2 emissions.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not blameless in Britain either (far from it) but pretending that the actions of individual nations (and even of individuals for that matter) will have a limited effect is sadly a very convenient excuse for robbing the bank because everyone else is doing it.</p>
<p>Australia is also an interesting place to look at the issues because of the critical choices it currently faces in energy usage. Your country surely has just about the most reliable solar energy resource of any country in the world, making Australia an excellent candidate to be one of the first nations in the world to be entirely powered from renewable sources, and given commitment and investment, surely one of the future world leaders within a rapidly expanding global market for solar technology.</p>
<p>But significantly, Australia also has considerable coal resources (as I recall in the past this has conditioned a certain level of economic self-interest which deterred Australia from signing up to Kyoto).</p>
<p>The carbon emissions from coal-fired energy sources are worryingly high in comparison even with power generation from oil and gas, and the same logic applies here to Australia as to China &#8211; if countries are intent on continuing down this route, regardless of all advice on the consequences, then the outlook for controlling climate change within manageable levels looks miserably bleak.</p>
<p>Thanks again, and do give my best regards to the Old Coat Hanger,<br />
Roads</p>
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		<title>By: John Watt</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2008/05/12/182-the-truth-about-global-warming/#comment-9820</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The quote from Monbiot is rather clever..of course all the answers are &quot;yes&quot;  BUT the missing ingredient is quantification. The overwhelming concern is that CO2 is just one of a number of drivers and possibly not the major one. Public understanding is of the basic climate drivers is miniscule. Australia is embarking on an emissions trading crusade which will certainly erode the vitality of both our economy and our society. As 20 m people in a 6000m+ world our actions will have little effect on world  CO2 . However our  politicians are going to ask us to sacrifice a lot for little or no overall gain. So if anyone out there can explain ,in terms of quantified basic physical processes how an extra X ppm of CO2 increases temperature by Y deg C then please broadcast such info. It is certainly lacking in any of the carbon trading propositions that are being put forward in Australia at present.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The quote from Monbiot is rather clever..of course all the answers are &#8220;yes&#8221;  BUT the missing ingredient is quantification. The overwhelming concern is that CO2 is just one of a number of drivers and possibly not the major one. Public understanding is of the basic climate drivers is miniscule. Australia is embarking on an emissions trading crusade which will certainly erode the vitality of both our economy and our society. As 20 m people in a 6000m+ world our actions will have little effect on world  CO2 . However our  politicians are going to ask us to sacrifice a lot for little or no overall gain. So if anyone out there can explain ,in terms of quantified basic physical processes how an extra X ppm of CO2 increases temperature by Y deg C then please broadcast such info. It is certainly lacking in any of the carbon trading propositions that are being put forward in Australia at present.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2008/05/12/182-the-truth-about-global-warming/#comment-9798</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Er, thanks, Ed. Brave heroes standing against the wicked tide of environmentalism? That sounds dramatic, especially if there are a growing number of them? What, like one or two? 

Including Nigel Lawson - the hopeless economist and erstwhile British Chancellor of the Exchequer who knows nothing about science and couldn&#039;t find his way out a paper bag, let alone a recession. It&#039;s great to see his book on global warming. What a fine and totally useless contribution that is.

David Bellamy? That clod who was forced to admit that he &#039;inadvertently mistyped&#039; the misinformed and flawed statistics on glaciers (which he stole from &#039;Junk Science&#039; in the first place) and then found his own wrong numbers exploding around the internet, proving they were true?
 
And as for the others, well - who are they, exactly? You don&#039;t name them, so I&#039;m forced to  wonder really. Joe Bloggs (that&#039;s Joe Schmoe to you, I think) who&#039;s fed up with paying $100 to fill the tank for his SUV every hundred miles or so? Sure. That&#039;s not exactly a courageous stand in the face of almost biblical persecution, is it?

But what is the nature of this &#039;persecution&#039; exactly? The poor, downtrodden huddled mass of petrolheads, forced to crawl along, all helpless and starving in the gutter, whilst a multitude of wicked, conspiring and conniving scientists and meteorologist fat cats live callously off the gravy? Informed and thoughtful souls so inexplicably having the jolly fine cheek to request that you and I might use the train a little more? 

And what exactly do you mean by &#039;bandwagon&#039; here? Honestly, I just can&#039;t think of a less appropriate word for the compiled results of painstaking research by the entire scientific community, backed up by a comparison with rigorously studied  evidence of climate change stretching back over the whole of geological time. 

Perhaps gravity is a bandwagon? What about electricity? Nuclear physics? Plate tectonics? Thermodynamics? Evolution? 

You say some of those things might not be all they&#039;re cracked up to be, eh? Come on, let&#039;s get a grip - you could apply for that Nobel Prize right now. And you never know, you might just win...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, thanks, Ed. Brave heroes standing against the wicked tide of environmentalism? That sounds dramatic, especially if there are a growing number of them? What, like one or two? </p>
<p>Including Nigel Lawson &#8211; the hopeless economist and erstwhile British Chancellor of the Exchequer who knows nothing about science and couldn&#8217;t find his way out a paper bag, let alone a recession. It&#8217;s great to see his book on global warming. What a fine and totally useless contribution that is.</p>
<p>David Bellamy? That clod who was forced to admit that he &#8216;inadvertently mistyped&#8217; the misinformed and flawed statistics on glaciers (which he stole from &#8216;Junk Science&#8217; in the first place) and then found his own wrong numbers exploding around the internet, proving they were true?</p>
<p>And as for the others, well &#8211; who are they, exactly? You don&#8217;t name them, so I&#8217;m forced to  wonder really. Joe Bloggs (that&#8217;s Joe Schmoe to you, I think) who&#8217;s fed up with paying $100 to fill the tank for his SUV every hundred miles or so? Sure. That&#8217;s not exactly a courageous stand in the face of almost biblical persecution, is it?</p>
<p>But what is the nature of this &#8216;persecution&#8217; exactly? The poor, downtrodden huddled mass of petrolheads, forced to crawl along, all helpless and starving in the gutter, whilst a multitude of wicked, conspiring and conniving scientists and meteorologist fat cats live callously off the gravy? Informed and thoughtful souls so inexplicably having the jolly fine cheek to request that you and I might use the train a little more? </p>
<p>And what exactly do you mean by &#8216;bandwagon&#8217; here? Honestly, I just can&#8217;t think of a less appropriate word for the compiled results of painstaking research by the entire scientific community, backed up by a comparison with rigorously studied  evidence of climate change stretching back over the whole of geological time. </p>
<p>Perhaps gravity is a bandwagon? What about electricity? Nuclear physics? Plate tectonics? Thermodynamics? Evolution? </p>
<p>You say some of those things might not be all they&#8217;re cracked up to be, eh? Come on, let&#8217;s get a grip &#8211; you could apply for that Nobel Prize right now. And you never know, you might just win&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thankfully, it&#039;s not a &#039;small number of isolated but vociferous so-called ‘researchers’, many of them funded by big oil&#039; as you put it.  There are a growing number of scientific and political figures now prepared to stand up and condemn this global warming religion for the hysterical nonsense it is.  Their public stand - courageous in the face of an almost biblical persecution - is greatly supported by the fact that there has been no warming for the past decade.  Hopefully the whole bandwagon will have run out of steam in a few years, and will be quietly forgotten like all the other environmental scares that preceded it.  In the meantime, no doubt, many &#039;climate scientists&#039; and bogus environmentalists will have made their fortunes out of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankfully, it&#8217;s not a &#8216;small number of isolated but vociferous so-called ‘researchers’, many of them funded by big oil&#8217; as you put it.  There are a growing number of scientific and political figures now prepared to stand up and condemn this global warming religion for the hysterical nonsense it is.  Their public stand &#8211; courageous in the face of an almost biblical persecution &#8211; is greatly supported by the fact that there has been no warming for the past decade.  Hopefully the whole bandwagon will have run out of steam in a few years, and will be quietly forgotten like all the other environmental scares that preceded it.  In the meantime, no doubt, many &#8216;climate scientists&#8217; and bogus environmentalists will have made their fortunes out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://checklisttowardzerocarbon.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/global-warming-101-a-short-reading-list-for-everyone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;Global Warming 101 - a short reading list for everyone&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outstanding, as ever, Sweder. You&#039;re a marvel, and no mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding, as ever, Sweder. You&#8217;re a marvel, and no mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweder</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah yes, but . . . debate it is my friend, for as long as two sides are presented to any argument, however apparently obvious or spurious the stance, there shall be two sides for consideration. 

And that&#039;s how I would have it; deniers in the open, unfettered by weight of popular opinion, unhindered  by cold hard fact. Where would you have your bitterest enemy? Sniping from the silos or out front offering you out for a straight-up, knock-em down, drag-em-out scrap?

Debate - for surely we have one, like it or not. You can&#039;t force-feed chickens without tasting bile in their flesh; so it is with climate change and the flat Earth society. The media will give them oxygen in any event, no matter how at odds with reality their standpoint or stoic they remain in the face of irrefutably well-argued evidence.

The purveyors of the ecological status quo are those with most to gain; shares steeped in history (and oil), investments dripping with unassailable surety. For my part, I&#039;ve no love for the ecoblind; I deal with ugly prejudice and a blatant lack of care for the future every day. Yet I welcome the arguments, be they rational or otherwise, since that is how the facts emerge, as they finally and so belatedly are doing today. 

I for one subscribe to a future for my children; I hereby forfeit the opportunity to wager their legacy on the advancement of my own ego or position. But only by engaging allcomers in dialogue like this can we hope to inform and persuade. Slamming the door won about as many maidens as faint hearts.

In the meantime, to those who&#039;d claim me a scaremonger I&#039;d say this: 
&lt;em&gt;If it&#039;s a fight you&#039;re after, then I&#039;m your Huckleberry.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, but . . . debate it is my friend, for as long as two sides are presented to any argument, however apparently obvious or spurious the stance, there shall be two sides for consideration. </p>
<p>And that&#8217;s how I would have it; deniers in the open, unfettered by weight of popular opinion, unhindered  by cold hard fact. Where would you have your bitterest enemy? Sniping from the silos or out front offering you out for a straight-up, knock-em down, drag-em-out scrap?</p>
<p>Debate &#8211; for surely we have one, like it or not. You can&#8217;t force-feed chickens without tasting bile in their flesh; so it is with climate change and the flat Earth society. The media will give them oxygen in any event, no matter how at odds with reality their standpoint or stoic they remain in the face of irrefutably well-argued evidence.</p>
<p>The purveyors of the ecological status quo are those with most to gain; shares steeped in history (and oil), investments dripping with unassailable surety. For my part, I&#8217;ve no love for the ecoblind; I deal with ugly prejudice and a blatant lack of care for the future every day. Yet I welcome the arguments, be they rational or otherwise, since that is how the facts emerge, as they finally and so belatedly are doing today. </p>
<p>I for one subscribe to a future for my children; I hereby forfeit the opportunity to wager their legacy on the advancement of my own ego or position. But only by engaging allcomers in dialogue like this can we hope to inform and persuade. Slamming the door won about as many maidens as faint hearts.</p>
<p>In the meantime, to those who&#8217;d claim me a scaremonger I&#8217;d say this:<br />
<em>If it&#8217;s a fight you&#8217;re after, then I&#8217;m your Huckleberry.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sweder
Thanks for your comment, too. As you rightly say, a number of issues are focusing our minds on the environment right now, from higher fuel prices to higher food prices to climate change.

However, it&#039;s incorrect to call global warming &#039;a debate&#039;, because it sadly isn&#039;t any more. To make an analogy, I&#039;m sure that some people still think the world is flat, but actually there ain&#039;t no debate about it.

The circulation and recirculation by the so-called climate change sceptics of flawed and misleading arguments and false information (I euphemise here - many would call these &#039;lies&#039; ) is one of the most depressing aspects of the present situation. 

The completely unfounded success of this misinformation campaign over the past decade has caused enormous damage to the environment and must be held responsible for great delay in tackling the causes of climate change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweder<br />
Thanks for your comment, too. As you rightly say, a number of issues are focusing our minds on the environment right now, from higher fuel prices to higher food prices to climate change.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s incorrect to call global warming &#8216;a debate&#8217;, because it sadly isn&#8217;t any more. To make an analogy, I&#8217;m sure that some people still think the world is flat, but actually there ain&#8217;t no debate about it.</p>
<p>The circulation and recirculation by the so-called climate change sceptics of flawed and misleading arguments and false information (I euphemise here &#8211; many would call these &#8216;lies&#8217; ) is one of the most depressing aspects of the present situation. </p>
<p>The completely unfounded success of this misinformation campaign over the past decade has caused enormous damage to the environment and must be held responsible for great delay in tackling the causes of climate change.</p>
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