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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-9006</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 09:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[See the comments on this article for an interesting discussion on &lt;a href=&quot;http://ozatheist.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/science-evolution-and-creationism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Evolution: fact or theory ?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the comments on this article for an interesting discussion on <a href="http://ozatheist.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/science-evolution-and-creationism/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Evolution: fact or theory ?</strong></a></p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-7108</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s another &lt;a href=&quot;http://wombatdiet.net/2007/09/07/plate-tectonics-is-only-a-theory/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;enthusiast for plate tectonics&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.

Wombats puts it very well - and I simply couldn&#039;t have packed more wonderment and amazement and excitement in there myself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another <a href="http://wombatdiet.net/2007/09/07/plate-tectonics-is-only-a-theory/" rel="nofollow"><strong>enthusiast for plate tectonics</strong></a>.</p>
<p>Wombats puts it very well &#8211; and I simply couldn&#8217;t have packed more wonderment and amazement and excitement in there myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6156</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;To me, the complexities and wonders which creation (in it widest sense) produces can only serve to enhance my sense of awe and humility.&quot;

YES!  YES! YES!  The majesty, the wonder of it all, the Awe I feel as I contemplate what we know...and what we may never know...serves as the foundation for my personal theology/spirituality and, yes, humbles me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To me, the complexities and wonders which creation (in it widest sense) produces can only serve to enhance my sense of awe and humility.&#8221;</p>
<p>YES!  YES! YES!  The majesty, the wonder of it all, the Awe I feel as I contemplate what we know&#8230;and what we may never know&#8230;serves as the foundation for my personal theology/spirituality and, yes, humbles me.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6151</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well put, indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Berry</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin Berry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 09:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holding to the theory that life-form evolved on this planet is no problem for those with a scientific bent, who appreciate that so much of what happens in the natural world happens as a consequence of random events, or even collisions at the sub-atomic, atomic or molecular level.
However, there  are still huge conceptual gaps to be filled, like understanding how the first self-replicating lifeforms came about, and whether this happened on Earth  (statistically improbable we are told, on account of the relatively short time scales - a mere 3 billion years, give or take) or whether it developed elsewhere, and we were seeded from outer space ( as proposed by Hoyle and Wikramasingh).  As yet, we do not as yet have even the crudest test-tube model for a self-replicating chemical, so it would be premature to shed a degree of humility about how we come to be here.

While we have a theory to explain the plethora of species on this planet, we still do not understand  the plethora of subatomic particles. Even if we accept the idea that it all began with a Big Bang, there is no understanding about how the different particles, up-quarks, down quarks, charm quarks, strange quarks  etc come to be there, where they came from, how they are related etc. Did they too arise by a process of evolution?

Neo-Darwinist theory, plate tectonics are the easy bit . Understanding the first few milliseconds after the Big Bang is a lot more tricky. As for understanding the nature of a singularity  1 micro-second before the Big Bang  is going to be a whole lot more difficult, if not impossible. One does not have to be a creationist to believe there may still be room for God, even if he/she/it  is merely an expression of a fact,   difficult for the human mind to grasp,  that absolute nothingness is impossible or, to put it another way, as Hoyle did, the Universe has always existed, and obeyed its own rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holding to the theory that life-form evolved on this planet is no problem for those with a scientific bent, who appreciate that so much of what happens in the natural world happens as a consequence of random events, or even collisions at the sub-atomic, atomic or molecular level.<br />
However, there  are still huge conceptual gaps to be filled, like understanding how the first self-replicating lifeforms came about, and whether this happened on Earth  (statistically improbable we are told, on account of the relatively short time scales &#8211; a mere 3 billion years, give or take) or whether it developed elsewhere, and we were seeded from outer space ( as proposed by Hoyle and Wikramasingh).  As yet, we do not as yet have even the crudest test-tube model for a self-replicating chemical, so it would be premature to shed a degree of humility about how we come to be here.</p>
<p>While we have a theory to explain the plethora of species on this planet, we still do not understand  the plethora of subatomic particles. Even if we accept the idea that it all began with a Big Bang, there is no understanding about how the different particles, up-quarks, down quarks, charm quarks, strange quarks  etc come to be there, where they came from, how they are related etc. Did they too arise by a process of evolution?</p>
<p>Neo-Darwinist theory, plate tectonics are the easy bit . Understanding the first few milliseconds after the Big Bang is a lot more tricky. As for understanding the nature of a singularity  1 micro-second before the Big Bang  is going to be a whole lot more difficult, if not impossible. One does not have to be a creationist to believe there may still be room for God, even if he/she/it  is merely an expression of a fact,   difficult for the human mind to grasp,  that absolute nothingness is impossible or, to put it another way, as Hoyle did, the Universe has always existed, and obeyed its own rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6147</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks as ever for your thoughtful comment and insights, Jonas.

It&#039;s a great shame that the incredible and beautiful insights which evolution gives us seem to cause some &#039;religious&#039; movements such trouble.

To me, the complexities and wonders which creation (in it widest sense) produces can only serve to enhance my sense of awe and humility.

Narrow-mindedness does great discredit to religion. Unfortunately, those two things are all too often found together, all around the world - in Baghdad, Birmingham, Baltimore and Belfast alike.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks as ever for your thoughtful comment and insights, Jonas.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a great shame that the incredible and beautiful insights which evolution gives us seem to cause some &#8216;religious&#8217; movements such trouble.</p>
<p>To me, the complexities and wonders which creation (in it widest sense) produces can only serve to enhance my sense of awe and humility.</p>
<p>Narrow-mindedness does great discredit to religion. Unfortunately, those two things are all too often found together, all around the world &#8211; in Baghdad, Birmingham, Baltimore and Belfast alike.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6126</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, it&#039;s so refreshing to encounter thoughtful discussions about evolution, a subject near and dear to my heart as a biologist.    I&#039;m in the camp that believes that our scientific understanding of Life and all Creation remains a mere gap in our ignorance...although I&#039;m thrilled to see that our understanding of the natural world is growing by leaps and bounds and is ever accelerating.  I&#039;m struck by the fact that much of what I was taught in college more than three decades ago has been proven false or modified extensively by subsequent findings/observations.   That&#039;s the splendor of science.  No doubt, the mechanisms impacting speciation will be studied in perpetuity and our collective understanding will grow more sophisticated over time.  I find that incredibly exciting.  As we map genome after genome, as we unearth more and more fossils (I read somewhere that we discover new fossilized species  every week), our insights into the evolutionary process will expand exponentially.  Of one thing I am sure, we&#039;ll never grasp it all.  And that&#039;s OK.  Despite the natterings of the Creationists and their wily cousins, the &quot;Intelligent Design&quot; proponents, the case for evolution through natural selection is overwhelming.  All that&#039;s missing are the myriad details.  I&#039;m sure forthcoming discoveries will amaze and confound us, but the overall case for evolution has already been irrefutably made.  And the beauty of it all is that it all makes sense on the macro-level.   Our grasp of the earth&#039;s geologic history, fossil record and the principles of genetics complement each other elegantly.  Those individuals who wish to force fit observable facts into some theological construct are the ones who are hopelessly lost.  The fact that they are given voice at all disturbs me.  I&#039;m stunned that a Creationist Museum has opened in Ohio, in order to &quot;prove&quot; that God created all life forms approximately 6000 years ago (over the course of six days, no less).  Putting such blatant scientific ignorance on public display and giving it ANY measure of credibility is absolutely appalling and is a disservice to humanity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, it&#8217;s so refreshing to encounter thoughtful discussions about evolution, a subject near and dear to my heart as a biologist.    I&#8217;m in the camp that believes that our scientific understanding of Life and all Creation remains a mere gap in our ignorance&#8230;although I&#8217;m thrilled to see that our understanding of the natural world is growing by leaps and bounds and is ever accelerating.  I&#8217;m struck by the fact that much of what I was taught in college more than three decades ago has been proven false or modified extensively by subsequent findings/observations.   That&#8217;s the splendor of science.  No doubt, the mechanisms impacting speciation will be studied in perpetuity and our collective understanding will grow more sophisticated over time.  I find that incredibly exciting.  As we map genome after genome, as we unearth more and more fossils (I read somewhere that we discover new fossilized species  every week), our insights into the evolutionary process will expand exponentially.  Of one thing I am sure, we&#8217;ll never grasp it all.  And that&#8217;s OK.  Despite the natterings of the Creationists and their wily cousins, the &#8220;Intelligent Design&#8221; proponents, the case for evolution through natural selection is overwhelming.  All that&#8217;s missing are the myriad details.  I&#8217;m sure forthcoming discoveries will amaze and confound us, but the overall case for evolution has already been irrefutably made.  And the beauty of it all is that it all makes sense on the macro-level.   Our grasp of the earth&#8217;s geologic history, fossil record and the principles of genetics complement each other elegantly.  Those individuals who wish to force fit observable facts into some theological construct are the ones who are hopelessly lost.  The fact that they are given voice at all disturbs me.  I&#8217;m stunned that a Creationist Museum has opened in Ohio, in order to &#8220;prove&#8221; that God created all life forms approximately 6000 years ago (over the course of six days, no less).  Putting such blatant scientific ignorance on public display and giving it ANY measure of credibility is absolutely appalling and is a disservice to humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t worry - the radioactive generation of heat within the Earth&#039;s core is accepted science, Colin.

There has been some recent investigation into the possibilities of plate tectonic processes operating on Mars and Venus. 

If made up of similar solar system components, which presumably they are, then mantle convection and hence surface seismic activity are very likely to have taken place on those planets, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry &#8211; the radioactive generation of heat within the Earth&#8217;s core is accepted science, Colin.</p>
<p>There has been some recent investigation into the possibilities of plate tectonic processes operating on Mars and Venus. </p>
<p>If made up of similar solar system components, which presumably they are, then mantle convection and hence surface seismic activity are very likely to have taken place on those planets, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Berry</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Colin Berry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you entirely about plate tectonic theory. I had never heard of it until listening in to a coffee time discussion inthe  mid 70s from someone not long out of school, and was instantly hooked to learn about sea-floor spreading, zones of subduction etc.

It then fell to me to teach it as part of the Earth Science module in GCSE science. Where the resource materials were strangely quiet was on the subject of what drives the conveyor belt.  Oh, it&#039;s convection currents in the magma, they said. Yes,  I know, I said, but what drives them ? Oh,  the Earth&#039;s core is very hot, didn&#039;t you know ? Yes, I did, but why is it hot ? Er, well it&#039;s because the Earth was once a molten blob, and is still cooling down, or because of the crushing pressure at the centre creating  friction.

Well, I didn&#039;t buy either of those ideas, and asked around some more. That&#039;s when I learned for the first time the theory that there are heavy radioactive elements at the Earth&#039;s core that are decaying, releasing a steady stream of heat that keeps our lives exciting up on this  fractured crust of ours, what with volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

There&#039;s surprisingly little debate about that radioactive core theory, and even less popular knowledge of it, which has one wondering if it&#039;s maybe a wild-eyed theory that is not yet received wisdom.  It would help if we knew more about tectonic processes on other planets, or maybe moons as well, to see whether they are the norm, or are the result of unusual conditions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you entirely about plate tectonic theory. I had never heard of it until listening in to a coffee time discussion inthe  mid 70s from someone not long out of school, and was instantly hooked to learn about sea-floor spreading, zones of subduction etc.</p>
<p>It then fell to me to teach it as part of the Earth Science module in GCSE science. Where the resource materials were strangely quiet was on the subject of what drives the conveyor belt.  Oh, it&#8217;s convection currents in the magma, they said. Yes,  I know, I said, but what drives them ? Oh,  the Earth&#8217;s core is very hot, didn&#8217;t you know ? Yes, I did, but why is it hot ? Er, well it&#8217;s because the Earth was once a molten blob, and is still cooling down, or because of the crushing pressure at the centre creating  friction.</p>
<p>Well, I didn&#8217;t buy either of those ideas, and asked around some more. That&#8217;s when I learned for the first time the theory that there are heavy radioactive elements at the Earth&#8217;s core that are decaying, releasing a steady stream of heat that keeps our lives exciting up on this  fractured crust of ours, what with volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s surprisingly little debate about that radioactive core theory, and even less popular knowledge of it, which has one wondering if it&#8217;s maybe a wild-eyed theory that is not yet received wisdom.  It would help if we knew more about tectonic processes on other planets, or maybe moons as well, to see whether they are the norm, or are the result of unusual conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/08/09/158-how-evolution-works/#comment-6050</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s agreed. Ideas about continental drift go back to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_wegner&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Alfred Wegener&lt;strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; and beyond. Wegener postulated the fitting back together of Africa and Brazil, as any more than occasional viewer of the school atlas will instantly appreciate. 

But there was no mechanism understood then to explain about how continents could move around the globe. It was not until the 1960s that &lt;a href=&quot;http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/vwlessons/plate_tectonics/part9.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Vine and Matthews&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; successfully interpreted magnetic stripes from the ocean floor as clear evidence that new oceanic crust was constantly being created at Mid Ocean Ridges, and destroyed by subduction in the deep ocean trenches.

Whilst continents are built of rocks up to 3 800 million years old, the oceanic crust preserved within the oceans is much younger. The oldest, in the Pacific, is of Jurassic age, less than 200 million years old - since all the older oceanic crust has been lost back into the mantle.

The proof of seafloor spreading at last provided a mechanism for continents to be translated around the globe - essentially we are living on mobile rafts which are in constant (although almost infinitessimally slow) relative motion.

Reconstruction of tectonic plate movements is primarily achieved through the study of magnetic polar wandering curves from different continents.

The foundations of plate tectonics are firmly based in geophysics, but the implications of the theory seamlessly explain the history of the Earth, and have much to say about the development of biological diversity as well.

Plate tectonics is a wonderfully beautiful and unifying piece of science, and as a geologist and a humble inhabitant of such a brief moment in the history of this planet, it continues to amaze and enthrall me, each and every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s agreed. Ideas about continental drift go back to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_wegner" rel="nofollow"><strong>Alfred Wegener</strong><strong></strong></a> and beyond. Wegener postulated the fitting back together of Africa and Brazil, as any more than occasional viewer of the school atlas will instantly appreciate. </p>
<p>But there was no mechanism understood then to explain about how continents could move around the globe. It was not until the 1960s that <a href="http://volcano.und.edu/vwdocs/vwlessons/plate_tectonics/part9.html" rel="nofollow"><strong>Vine and Matthews</strong></a> successfully interpreted magnetic stripes from the ocean floor as clear evidence that new oceanic crust was constantly being created at Mid Ocean Ridges, and destroyed by subduction in the deep ocean trenches.</p>
<p>Whilst continents are built of rocks up to 3 800 million years old, the oceanic crust preserved within the oceans is much younger. The oldest, in the Pacific, is of Jurassic age, less than 200 million years old &#8211; since all the older oceanic crust has been lost back into the mantle.</p>
<p>The proof of seafloor spreading at last provided a mechanism for continents to be translated around the globe &#8211; essentially we are living on mobile rafts which are in constant (although almost infinitessimally slow) relative motion.</p>
<p>Reconstruction of tectonic plate movements is primarily achieved through the study of magnetic polar wandering curves from different continents.</p>
<p>The foundations of plate tectonics are firmly based in geophysics, but the implications of the theory seamlessly explain the history of the Earth, and have much to say about the development of biological diversity as well.</p>
<p>Plate tectonics is a wonderfully beautiful and unifying piece of science, and as a geologist and a humble inhabitant of such a brief moment in the history of this planet, it continues to amaze and enthrall me, each and every day.</p>
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