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	<title>Comments on: 134. Before the mast: Pewley Down, Guildford</title>
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		<title>By: Guildford</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/01/19/134-before-the-mast-pewley-down-guildford/#comment-10239</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just came across your site and wanted to drop you a note telling you how impressed I was with the information you have posted here. I have a site Guildford Eye http://www.guildfordeye.com/index.php so I know what I&#039;m talking about when I say your site is top-notch! Keep up the great work, you are providing a great resource on the Internet here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just came across your site and wanted to drop you a note telling you how impressed I was with the information you have posted here. I have a site Guildford Eye <a href="http://www.guildfordeye.com/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.guildfordeye.com/index.php</a> so I know what I&#8217;m talking about when I say your site is top-notch! Keep up the great work, you are providing a great resource on the Internet here!</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My pleasure - I would hope that you are also aware then that as a result of the council being able to extend the carpark at the end of Pilgrims Way to accomodate twelve extra cars (and another three sights within the 5km radius of Whitmore Common, so an extra 48 places),  the council is now in a position to grant permission for an extra 3500 residential properties / extensions? 
As you are probabably aware, the farm falls within a Special Protection Area (SPA), and these 48 extra carparking places have made it extremely easier for the council to grant planning permission.  So - 48 carparking places - 3500 potential more residents.....even it it works out to half that number, I do not believe Guildford has the necessary infrastructure. 

All this information is availabe on the council&#039;s website (but you need to dig for it, and I can  understand why, as there could well be a hidden agenda)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My pleasure &#8211; I would hope that you are also aware then that as a result of the council being able to extend the carpark at the end of Pilgrims Way to accomodate twelve extra cars (and another three sights within the 5km radius of Whitmore Common, so an extra 48 places),  the council is now in a position to grant permission for an extra 3500 residential properties / extensions?<br />
As you are probabably aware, the farm falls within a Special Protection Area (SPA), and these 48 extra carparking places have made it extremely easier for the council to grant planning permission.  So &#8211; 48 carparking places &#8211; 3500 potential more residents&#8230;..even it it works out to half that number, I do not believe Guildford has the necessary infrastructure. </p>
<p>All this information is availabe on the council&#8217;s website (but you need to dig for it, and I can  understand why, as there could well be a hidden agenda)</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks very much for your comment, Allan. It&#039;s very good of you to share your point of view.

I&#039;ve no issue with the land being farmed. It&#039;s hard work, I know, and if you want to keep it green, that&#039;s ideal. 

My concern was that Orange were so determined to put a telephone mast up there, or (even worse) that the land might one day be sold for development. 

As you rightly say, the land looks wonderful right now, and it would be very sad for everyone in Guildford if it were spoiled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks very much for your comment, Allan. It&#8217;s very good of you to share your point of view.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve no issue with the land being farmed. It&#8217;s hard work, I know, and if you want to keep it green, that&#8217;s ideal. </p>
<p>My concern was that Orange were so determined to put a telephone mast up there, or (even worse) that the land might one day be sold for development. </p>
<p>As you rightly say, the land looks wonderful right now, and it would be very sad for everyone in Guildford if it were spoiled.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 15:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roads - we will see about this. The land you talk about to extend the downs is  farm land and very fertile. It produces in the region of 2.5 - 3 tons an acre of malting barley, which is exported to Germany.  I know, because I farm it!

 I can confirm that the council has talked to me about giving up 18 acres,  and I can also confirm I am dead against giving it up, as it would make my arable business un-economic. Current grain prices have increased 300% in the last year - GBP182.00 per ton from GBP60.00 per ton, and I see this as a continuing trend as more and more land is taken out of food production for the use of growing bi-fuels - DEFRA agree as does the EU - for your information, farmers are being encouraged to put set-aside land back into food production for this particular reason. 

I have invested a conciderable amount of time and money in this land, and am not going to give it up without a fight!

As for your comment &#039;I’ve noticed over the past few months that many people have started to walk these fields whilst exercising their dogs and en route with their children to Holy Trinity School.&#039; - this is laughable, and not the case. I have lived on the farm for 20 odd years, and I have not seen any increase in the number of people walking across the Downs. 

You people are the ones who jump up and down when you have to pay higher prices for food, but want to take farm land out of food production for a &#039;nice view&#039;. You can not have it both ways. And anyway, whats wrong with a field of barley blowing in the wind? I think it is a marvelous sight, and am sure many people would agree with me. 

So please, get off my case!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roads &#8211; we will see about this. The land you talk about to extend the downs is  farm land and very fertile. It produces in the region of 2.5 &#8211; 3 tons an acre of malting barley, which is exported to Germany.  I know, because I farm it!</p>
<p> I can confirm that the council has talked to me about giving up 18 acres,  and I can also confirm I am dead against giving it up, as it would make my arable business un-economic. Current grain prices have increased 300% in the last year &#8211; GBP182.00 per ton from GBP60.00 per ton, and I see this as a continuing trend as more and more land is taken out of food production for the use of growing bi-fuels &#8211; DEFRA agree as does the EU &#8211; for your information, farmers are being encouraged to put set-aside land back into food production for this particular reason. </p>
<p>I have invested a conciderable amount of time and money in this land, and am not going to give it up without a fight!</p>
<p>As for your comment &#8216;I’ve noticed over the past few months that many people have started to walk these fields whilst exercising their dogs and en route with their children to Holy Trinity School.&#8217; &#8211; this is laughable, and not the case. I have lived on the farm for 20 odd years, and I have not seen any increase in the number of people walking across the Downs. </p>
<p>You people are the ones who jump up and down when you have to pay higher prices for food, but want to take farm land out of food production for a &#8216;nice view&#8217;. You can not have it both ways. And anyway, whats wrong with a field of barley blowing in the wind? I think it is a marvelous sight, and am sure many people would agree with me. </p>
<p>So please, get off my case!</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 13:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m very pleased  to report at last that the Planning Inspectorate has finally rejected  Orange Telecommunications’ plea to allow a telephone mast on the crest of Pewley Down.

Thank you to everyone who wrote to express a view.

Let’s hope this means that Pewley Down will remain safe for some time to come, and for future generations to enjoy.

There is now a plan afoot to purchase more land from South Warren Farm, in fact the same field on the northern slope exactly where Orange had wanted to place their mast. The aim is to add this area on to Pewley Down as an extension of the public open space.

I’ve noticed over the past few months that many people have started to walk these fields whilst exercising their dogs and en route with their children to Holy Trinity School.

It would be marvellous if this land could be made available to the public on a more formal basis - it boasts wonderful northward views across Guildford to the cathedral as well as northeast to Woking and on towards London beyond.

I’ll keep you posted of further progress.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m very pleased  to report at last that the Planning Inspectorate has finally rejected  Orange Telecommunications’ plea to allow a telephone mast on the crest of Pewley Down.</p>
<p>Thank you to everyone who wrote to express a view.</p>
<p>Let’s hope this means that Pewley Down will remain safe for some time to come, and for future generations to enjoy.</p>
<p>There is now a plan afoot to purchase more land from South Warren Farm, in fact the same field on the northern slope exactly where Orange had wanted to place their mast. The aim is to add this area on to Pewley Down as an extension of the public open space.</p>
<p>I’ve noticed over the past few months that many people have started to walk these fields whilst exercising their dogs and en route with their children to Holy Trinity School.</p>
<p>It would be marvellous if this land could be made available to the public on a more formal basis &#8211; it boasts wonderful northward views across Guildford to the cathedral as well as northeast to Woking and on towards London beyond.</p>
<p>I’ll keep you posted of further progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a very elegant definition, Sarah.

I wonder if these might also prove useful in certain related contexts:

&lt;em&gt;Incarjection&lt;/em&gt; - the act of objecting to enroachment;

and/or rather less tastefully perhaps (?)

&lt;em&gt;Incarjerkate&lt;/em&gt; - the act of consuming fast food whilst driving an SUV ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a very elegant definition, Sarah.</p>
<p>I wonder if these might also prove useful in certain related contexts:</p>
<p><em>Incarjection</em> &#8211; the act of objecting to enroachment;</p>
<p>and/or rather less tastefully perhaps (?)</p>
<p><em>Incarjerkate</em> &#8211; the act of consuming fast food whilst driving an SUV &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Hague</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/01/19/134-before-the-mast-pewley-down-guildford/#comment-1556</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Hague]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 08:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Enroachment&#039; - you could send that one to the Washington Post competition for words where a letter has been added, subtracted or changed, and a new meaning added, &#039;Style Invitational&#039;.

Enroachment: the pervasive effect of SUVs on wild places.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Enroachment&#8217; &#8211; you could send that one to the Washington Post competition for words where a letter has been added, subtracted or changed, and a new meaning added, &#8216;Style Invitational&#8217;.</p>
<p>Enroachment: the pervasive effect of SUVs on wild places.</p>
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		<title>By: Roads</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roads]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Ed - and your reference to William Blake&#039;s &lt;em&gt;green and pleasant land&lt;/em&gt; is a fitting one.

Even better, I particularly admired your word selection in referring to the blight of 4x4 SUVs as:

&#039;the &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;enroachment&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; of all terrain vehicles&#039;.&lt;/em&gt;

Actually, I&#039;m not quite sure whether that was an intentional typo or not, but I&#039;ll tell you what - it&#039;s such an incredibly elegant phrase that it&#039;s well worth using again ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ed &#8211; and your reference to William Blake&#8217;s <em>green and pleasant land</em> is a fitting one.</p>
<p>Even better, I particularly admired your word selection in referring to the blight of 4&#215;4 SUVs as:</p>
<p>&#8216;the <strong><em>enroachment</em></strong> of all terrain vehicles&#8217;.</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m not quite sure whether that was an intentional typo or not, but I&#8217;ll tell you what &#8211; it&#8217;s such an incredibly elegant phrase that it&#8217;s well worth using again &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ebwrite</title>
		<link>http://roadsofstone.com/2007/01/19/134-before-the-mast-pewley-down-guildford/#comment-1526</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ebwrite]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re constantly facing this sort of thing in America as well -- the enroachment of all-terrain vehicles, gambling casinos, and all the new darker Satanic mills Blake never imagined in his wildest flights of fancy --  slowly filling in the last of the wild places.  Since I&#039;ve switched largely to trail running, I&#039;m even more aware of it than I was before.

It doesn&#039;t have to be that way, and I&#039;ve started fighting it here in various and sundry small ways.  The very best to you, Roads, in a fight that is well worth the frustrations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re constantly facing this sort of thing in America as well &#8212; the enroachment of all-terrain vehicles, gambling casinos, and all the new darker Satanic mills Blake never imagined in his wildest flights of fancy &#8212;  slowly filling in the last of the wild places.  Since I&#8217;ve switched largely to trail running, I&#8217;m even more aware of it than I was before.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t have to be that way, and I&#8217;ve started fighting it here in various and sundry small ways.  The very best to you, Roads, in a fight that is well worth the frustrations.</p>
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		<title>By: Sweder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sweder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good for you - I&#039;m on your side Roads.
I live in the windiest  place this side of Chicago but I&#039;d weep blood if they dropped a turbine on my beloved downs.

The tobacco analogy refers to the similarity in findings of the researchers. back then the scientists ruled after a ten year study that results were &#039;inconclusive&#039; - we all know what happened next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you &#8211; I&#8217;m on your side Roads.<br />
I live in the windiest  place this side of Chicago but I&#8217;d weep blood if they dropped a turbine on my beloved downs.</p>
<p>The tobacco analogy refers to the similarity in findings of the researchers. back then the scientists ruled after a ten year study that results were &#8216;inconclusive&#8217; &#8211; we all know what happened next.</p>
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